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Как говорил тов. Сталин - главное не кто как голосует а кто подсчитывает голоса. Исходя из 100% правды этого изречения победят демы. Увы и ах.
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There were widespread allegations of vote fraud, especially in Texas, where his running mate Lyndon B. Johnson was Senator, and Illinois, home of Mayor Richard Daley's powerful Chicago political machine.[72] These two states were important because if Nixon had carried both, he would have earned 270 electoral votes, one more than the 269 needed to win the presidency. Republican senators such as Everett Dirksen and Barry Goldwater claimed vote fraud "played a role in the election",[69] and that Nixon actually won the national popular vote. Republicans tried, and failed, to overturn the results in both Illinois and Texas at the time, as well as in nine other states.[81] Earl Mazo, a conservative journalist and close friend of Nixon who later became Nixon's biographer, made unfounded accusations of voter fraud.[72]
1960 Nixon campaign button
Nixon's campaign staff urged him to pursue recounts and challenge the validity of Kennedy's victory in several states, especially Illinois, Missouri, and New Jersey, where large majorities in Catholic precincts handed Kennedy the election.[69] Nixon gave a speech three days after the election, stating that he would not contest the election.[69] The Republican National chairman, Senator Thruston Ballard Morton of Kentucky, visited Key Biscayne, Florida, where Nixon had taken his family for a vacation, and pushed for a recount.[69] Morton challenged the results in 11 states,[72] keeping challenges in the courts into mid-1961, but the only result of these challenges was the loss of Hawaii to Kennedy on a recount.
Kennedy won Illinois by less than 9,000 votes, out of 4.75 million cast, a margin of 0.2%.[72] Nixon carried 92 of the state's 101 counties. Kennedy's victory in Illinois came from Chicago, which had favorable demographics for Kennedy, with its large populations of Catholic and African-American voters.[82] His victory margin in the city was 318,736, and 456,312 in Cook County. Daley was alleged to have phoned the Kennedy campaign with the promise "With a little bit of luck and the help of a few close friends, you're going to carry Illinois."[83] When the Republican Chicago Tribune went to press, 79% of Cook County precincts had reported, compared with just 62% of Illinois's precincts overall. Moreover, Nixon never led in Illinois, and Kennedy's lead merely shrank as election night went on.[82]
In Texas, Kennedy defeated Nixon by a 51 to 49% margin, or 46,000 votes.[72] Some Republicans argued, without evidence, that Johnson's formidable political machine had stolen enough votes in counties along the Mexican border to give Kennedy the victory. Kennedy's defenders, such as his speechwriter and special assistant Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr., argued that Kennedy's margin in Texas was simply too large for vote fraud to have been a decisive factor.
Earl Mazo, writing in the New York Herald Tribune, argued that in Texas, "a minimum of 100,000 votes for the Kennedy-Johnson ticket simply were nonexistent." Allegations of voter fraud were made in Texas. Fannin County had only 4,895 registered voters; yet, 6,138 votes were cast in that county, three-quarters for Kennedy.[69] In an Angelina County precinct, Kennedy received 187 votes, to Nixon's 24, though there were only 86 registered voters in the precinct.[69] When Republicans demanded a statewide recount, they learned that the state Board of Elections, whose members were all Democrats, had already certified Kennedy as the winner.[69] This analysis has been challenged, since registered voter figures only counted people who had paid the poll tax,and "veterans and senior citizens and some other isolated groups" were exempt from that tax.[84]Earl Mazo's analysis produced evidence of voters casting up to six ballots at once, precinct chiefs bribing voters, and pre-primed voting machines, one of which was caught recording 121 ballots when 43 people voted.
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There were widespread allegations of vote fraud, especially in Texas, where his running mate Lyndon B. Johnson was Senator, and Illinois, home of Mayor Richard Daley's powerful Chicago political machine.[72] These two states were important because if Nixon had carried both, he would have earned 270 electoral votes, one more than the 269 needed to win the presidency. Republican senators such as Everett Dirksen and Barry Goldwater claimed vote fraud "played a role in the election",[69] and that Nixon actually won the national popular vote. Republicans tried, and failed, to overturn the results in both Illinois and Texas at the time, as well as in nine other states.[81] Earl Mazo, a conservative journalist and close friend of Nixon who later became Nixon's biographer, made unfounded accusations of voter fraud.[72]
1960 Nixon campaign button
Nixon's campaign staff urged him to pursue recounts and challenge the validity of Kennedy's victory in several states, especially Illinois, Missouri, and New Jersey, where large majorities in Catholic precincts handed Kennedy the election.[69] Nixon gave a speech three days after the election, stating that he would not contest the election.[69] The Republican National chairman, Senator Thruston Ballard Morton of Kentucky, visited Key Biscayne, Florida, where Nixon had taken his family for a vacation, and pushed for a recount.[69] Morton challenged the results in 11 states,[72] keeping challenges in the courts into mid-1961, but the only result of these challenges was the loss of Hawaii to Kennedy on a recount.
Kennedy won Illinois by less than 9,000 votes, out of 4.75 million cast, a margin of 0.2%.[72] Nixon carried 92 of the state's 101 counties. Kennedy's victory in Illinois came from Chicago, which had favorable demographics for Kennedy, with its large populations of Catholic and African-American voters.[82] His victory margin in the city was 318,736, and 456,312 in Cook County. Daley was alleged to have phoned the Kennedy campaign with the promise "With a little bit of luck and the help of a few close friends, you're going to carry Illinois."[83] When the Republican Chicago Tribune went to press, 79% of Cook County precincts had reported, compared with just 62% of Illinois's precincts overall. Moreover, Nixon never led in Illinois, and Kennedy's lead merely shrank as election night went on.[82]
In Texas, Kennedy defeated Nixon by a 51 to 49% margin, or 46,000 votes.[72] Some Republicans argued, without evidence, that Johnson's formidable political machine had stolen enough votes in counties along the Mexican border to give Kennedy the victory. Kennedy's defenders, such as his speechwriter and special assistant Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr., argued that Kennedy's margin in Texas was simply too large for vote fraud to have been a decisive factor.
Earl Mazo, writing in the New York Herald Tribune, argued that in Texas, "a minimum of 100,000 votes for the Kennedy-Johnson ticket simply were nonexistent." Allegations of voter fraud were made in Texas. Fannin County had only 4,895 registered voters; yet, 6,138 votes were cast in that county, three-quarters for Kennedy.[69] In an Angelina County precinct, Kennedy received 187 votes, to Nixon's 24, though there were only 86 registered voters in the precinct.[69] When Republicans demanded a statewide recount, they learned that the state Board of Elections, whose members were all Democrats, had already certified Kennedy as the winner.[69] This analysis has been challenged, since registered voter figures only counted people who had paid the poll tax,and "veterans and senior citizens and some other isolated groups" were exempt from that tax.[84]Earl Mazo's analysis produced evidence of voters casting up to six ballots at once, precinct chiefs bribing voters, and pre-primed voting machines, one of which was caught recording 121 ballots when 43 people voted.
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Если вы не в курсе в США всё ещё существует свобода слова.
По этому говорить вы можете что угодно.
Правда знаний у вас от этого не прибавится, как впрочем и способности сопоставлять факты.
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Да конечно, существует, но это не значит, что все что говорят такие как вы конспиристы и им подобные, является правдой, а скорее наоборот. Конспирологии и критиканы зарабатывают на распространении всякой галиматьи, и простаки это хавают.
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Ну какие сегодня в америчке коммунисты? Да и леваки - одно название, шобла на подкормке демократов, ничего особо левого у них нет, одна ширма.
Левые должны с капиталистической системой бороться. Если они борются за плюшки и место под солнцем в рамках этой кровавой системы - они не левые, а кто-то-другие
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Праваки как всегда болтают ерундой
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Не поэтому. Demographics is destiny. А свобода нужна очень небольшому количеству людей. Штаты образца 1776 года были результатам самоотбора людей, которых в обычной популяции меньшинство. И так удивительно, что 250+ лет продержались. Жаль, только другой Америки нет и не будет.
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Попробуйте поменьше баловаться кью-онанизмомBarBoss писал(а): ↑Чт май 18, 2023 6:14 am Как говорил тов. Сталин - главное не кто как голосует а кто подсчитывает голоса. Исходя из 100% правды этого изречения победят демы. Увы и ах.
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There were widespread allegations of vote fraud, especially in Texas, where his running mate Lyndon B. Johnson was Senator, and Illinois, home of Mayor Richard Daley's powerful Chicago political machine.[72] These two states were important because if Nixon had carried both, he would have earned 270 electoral votes, one more than the 269 needed to win the presidency. Republican senators such as Everett Dirksen and Barry Goldwater claimed vote fraud "played a role in the election",[69] and that Nixon actually won the national popular vote. Republicans tried, and failed, to overturn the results in both Illinois and Texas at the time, as well as in nine other states.[81] Earl Mazo, a conservative journalist and close friend of Nixon who later became Nixon's biographer, made unfounded accusations of voter fraud.[72]
1960 Nixon campaign button
Nixon's campaign staff urged him to pursue recounts and challenge the validity of Kennedy's victory in several states, especially Illinois, Missouri, and New Jersey, where large majorities in Catholic precincts handed Kennedy the election.[69] Nixon gave a speech three days after the election, stating that he would not contest the election.[69] The Republican National chairman, Senator Thruston Ballard Morton of Kentucky, visited Key Biscayne, Florida, where Nixon had taken his family for a vacation, and pushed for a recount.[69] Morton challenged the results in 11 states,[72] keeping challenges in the courts into mid-1961, but the only result of these challenges was the loss of Hawaii to Kennedy on a recount.
Kennedy won Illinois by less than 9,000 votes, out of 4.75 million cast, a margin of 0.2%.[72] Nixon carried 92 of the state's 101 counties. Kennedy's victory in Illinois came from Chicago, which had favorable demographics for Kennedy, with its large populations of Catholic and African-American voters.[82] His victory margin in the city was 318,736, and 456,312 in Cook County. Daley was alleged to have phoned the Kennedy campaign with the promise "With a little bit of luck and the help of a few close friends, you're going to carry Illinois."[83] When the Republican Chicago Tribune went to press, 79% of Cook County precincts had reported, compared with just 62% of Illinois's precincts overall. Moreover, Nixon never led in Illinois, and Kennedy's lead merely shrank as election night went on.[82]
In Texas, Kennedy defeated Nixon by a 51 to 49% margin, or 46,000 votes.[72] Some Republicans argued, without evidence, that Johnson's formidable political machine had stolen enough votes in counties along the Mexican border to give Kennedy the victory. Kennedy's defenders, such as his speechwriter and special assistant Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr., argued that Kennedy's margin in Texas was simply too large for vote fraud to have been a decisive factor.
Earl Mazo, writing in the New York Herald Tribune, argued that in Texas, "a minimum of 100,000 votes for the Kennedy-Johnson ticket simply were nonexistent." Allegations of voter fraud were made in Texas. Fannin County had only 4,895 registered voters; yet, 6,138 votes were cast in that county, three-quarters for Kennedy.[69] In an Angelina County precinct, Kennedy received 187 votes, to Nixon's 24, though there were only 86 registered voters in the precinct.[69] When Republicans demanded a statewide recount, they learned that the state Board of Elections, whose members were all Democrats, had already certified Kennedy as the winner.[69] This analysis has been challenged, since registered voter figures only counted people who had paid the poll tax,and "veterans and senior citizens and some other isolated groups" were exempt from that tax.[84]Earl Mazo's analysis produced evidence of voters casting up to six ballots at once, precinct chiefs bribing voters, and pre-primed voting machines, one of which was caught recording 121 ballots when 43 people voted.
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Какой интересный усер. Называет доказанные исторические факты кью-онанизмом. Выучите сначала историю выборов 1960г а потом уже вставляйте свои незнайкины 5ц.
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Основная причина что всё продержалось 250 лет было то что отцы основатели делали жесткий но мудрый отбор кому давать право голоса. Это было 5-10% всего населения которые были совершеннолетние, самодостаточные и независимые от подачек других людей или города* владельцы имущества кот. умели писать/читать/понимать прочитанное и т.п. И ессно лучшие из них занялись писать Конституцию и т.п. Сегодня такой фейс контроль практически невозможен. Откуда и имеем что имеем.voyager3 писал(а): ↑Чт май 18, 2023 9:52 amНе поэтому. Demographics is destiny. А свобода нужна очень небольшому количеству людей. Штаты образца 1776 года были результатам самоотбора людей, которых в обычной популяции меньшинство. И так удивительно, что 250+ лет продержались. Жаль, только другой Америки нет и не будет.
*В то время велфером занимался только сам город или каунти. Строили богадельни, распределяли еду и т.п. инвалидам, дурикам и т.п. И то старались чтобы семья и родственники это делали в первую очередь а если сироты и т.п. то тогда уже город подключался.
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На мой взгляд как раз в США свобода нужна ну 99% населения, только не все ее понимают одинаково.voyager3 писал(а): ↑Чт май 18, 2023 9:52 amНе поэтому. Demographics is destiny. А свобода нужна очень небольшому количеству людей. Штаты образца 1776 года были результатам самоотбора людей, которых в обычной популяции меньшинство. И так удивительно, что 250+ лет продержались. Жаль, только другой Америки нет и не будет.
Ну например одни понимают свободу как возможность запретить другим делать аборты на основании своих религиозных мировозрений, а другие понимают как свое право делатьа аборты независимо от чьих-то религиозных мировозрений.
Или одни понимают как право богатых фактически поработить половину населения, надеясь что они сами окажутся в числе именно богатых, а другие понимают как одинаковые законы для всех и создание условий равных возможностей и конкуренции, а значит ограничение монополий и поддержка малого бизнеса.
Ну и так далее.... Вообшем все как и было в 1776.
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АгаFelisSilvestris писал(а): ↑Чт май 18, 2023 12:18 pm На мой взгляд как раз в США свобода нужна ну 99% населения, только не все ее понимают одинаково.
(из одной почти фантастической книжки).Freedom (noun) - obsolete term, see "Freedom from want"